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[讨论] 为何装配体文件动不动就几百兆?存盘一次要十多秒呢?

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发表于 2015-5-9 19:26:56 | 显示全部楼层 |阅读模式 来自: 中国广东广州

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为何装配体文件动不动就几百兆?存盘一次要十多秒呢?3 w/ ^  T8 X/ e" ]

' [- N$ s6 r4 j装配体是基于SW原生开始做起的、全部零件都是内部虚拟形式、才十几个零件、就三四百兆了。
) I! C7 I" Q% ]' g4 R- I在零件层面编辑时、存盘都是快过眨眼的。但回到装配体层面、一按存盘就出现等待图标和硬盘狂响..." G8 k4 r% F% a, L* w
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请教下、这是什么问题?我有什么可以做?

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发表于 2015-5-9 20:24:18 | 显示全部楼层 来自: 中国北京
建议装配体零件全部放到外部去,否则一旦装配体损坏,你哭都没地方哭,我就碰到同事干这种事,打不开,那很多东西都要重新画过,你说这会使他的生活变得更加充实了吧!
 楼主| 发表于 2015-5-9 21:01:28 | 显示全部楼层 来自: 中国广东广州
fushuixiu 发表于 2015-5-9 20:24 static/image/common/back.gif) A. b; O3 f7 k/ Z/ C- u
建议装配体零件全部放到外部去,否则一旦装配体损坏,你哭都没地方哭,我就碰到同事干这种事,打不开,那很 ...

( e1 a. Y% @' z' r$ O5 `3 U; z多谢提醒、刚尝试了把装配体里面的全部零件都保存到外部、然后保存、
2 {* g  X* P, v! V发现装配体仍然是几百兆的大、与之前不同的只是减去了每个零件几十K、???
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1 q! M6 `4 _! Q; h也许我试试用一个新的装配体、把零件添加进去看看、稍后回头报告...
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 楼主| 发表于 2015-5-9 23:14:09 | 显示全部楼层 来自: 中国广东广州
fushuixiu 发表于 2015-5-9 20:24 static/image/common/back.gif0 N% h3 @* K( Z; O, n0 W
建议装配体零件全部放到外部去,否则一旦装配体损坏,你哭都没地方哭,我就碰到同事干这种事,打不开,那很 ...

6 H- }' G9 ?7 ?2 B" Z9 t" W3 f; Y尝试了用一个新的装配体、把零件添加进、保存、装配体文件只有几十K。
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然后、设定了几个视图、加了几个配合后、装配体文件就马上变成十几兆了、再多做几步又是几十兆了......
& c9 z9 A& {- E2 H1 d是不是我的什么设定出了问题?
发表于 2015-5-9 23:39:14 | 显示全部楼层 来自: 中国广东肇庆
如果不泄密的话,楼主传一个上来让大伙看看眼界。
 楼主| 发表于 2015-5-10 00:35:35 | 显示全部楼层 来自: 中国广东广州
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keilei001 发表于 2015-5-9 23:39 static/image/common/back.gif/ H6 z  j  G! _! Q
如果不泄密的话,楼主传一个上来让大伙看看眼界。
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啊...不要笑话我了......我也希望我能......只是我个人没权而已。. i0 R' }9 ]4 U% g4 Z" z
我看到很多同学传了文件、有些前辈一看、马上解决了问题、确实看着文件好交流的。9 t, a! s7 x* F

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" `1 T! u" \3 O& d$ \啊!顺道请教下、模型的尺码大小会不会影响SW的文件体积?(装配体全局就大约 长7米*宽3米*高1.8米)
发表于 2015-5-11 10:55:02 | 显示全部楼层 来自: 中国辽宁盘锦
Roystudio 发表于 2015-5-10 00:35 static/image/common/back.gif! I6 ?1 [+ R0 m
啊...不要笑话我了......我也希望我能......只是我个人没权而已。
8 r2 p" b% g' R2 I1 i. u4 p- r$ ~我看到很多同学传了文件、有些前辈一看 ...

# ^0 f1 i7 q. x$ C: ^6 ~2 |一,可能是大
6 D! f" k  v5 Y& Y* Q  _二,有好多的细节
 楼主| 发表于 2015-5-11 14:36:20 | 显示全部楼层 来自: 中国广东广州
阿帕奇 发表于 2015-5-11 10:55 static/image/common/back.gif* K: B; n( N! t( `# q
一,可能是大3 G2 Q: U' _0 s/ Z
二,有好多的细节
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谢谢提供思考线索~~6 h% G- m$ q0 `# C. E! H

2 M; u- Q: v) E6 L细节还没有太多、目前的设计进度只相当于总体的5%左右、装配体已经异常的几百M大、
+ j; }1 S" \+ B: M+ M以这个趋势、我顾虑往后可能很快就变成几个G、直到崩溃......汗啊......- ?3 u, p& _+ r- N6 g' S
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虽然可以权宜、频繁切换、限制自己只在零件层面活动、但这样失去了很多top-down的便利...6 w7 U  G% [2 f8 i0 x
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所以就上来提起讨论了。. t( x+ b$ F' i8 Y$ W' \
发表于 2015-5-11 15:57:48 | 显示全部楼层 来自: 中国辽宁盘锦
Roystudio 发表于 2015-5-11 14:36 static/image/common/back.gif- S+ d. K6 c8 _, E
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细节还没有太多、目前的设计进度只相当于总体的5%左右、装配体已经异常的几百M大 ...

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 楼主| 发表于 2015-5-11 17:36:54 | 显示全部楼层 来自: 中国广东广州
阿帕奇 发表于 2015-5-11 15:57 static/image/common/back.gif: w- w4 p; q. n3 n* c/ Q& j
这里的设置呢?

  a/ }/ l6 o$ @* O检查了、文档属性这里是软件默认的普通水平、没动过、第一栏比上图的允许误差更大:2.77483289mm
 楼主| 发表于 2015-5-12 01:06:58 | 显示全部楼层 来自: 中国广东广州
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阿帕奇 发表于 2015-5-11 15:57 static/image/common/back.gif1 l% Z3 S$ U8 H1 ?
这里的设置呢?

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假设新建了一个装配体、在里面画了3个零件、全部保存到外部、每个零件的文件大小是2M、$ R! H7 n, s6 Z  Y# Q5 u% j
如果这时候对装配体存盘、装配体文件的大小就是6M多。- h( [6 ]4 s" ?4 c: C
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之后继续做、只是简单地在每个零件里面做一些微不足道的编辑(例如只增加了含有一个点的草图)。
. G( l  C$ N  B  c2 t) p. K如果这时候对装配体存盘、装配体文件的大小就是6M多+2+2+2=12M多。5 b" h  @: C, t3 G- K( V
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之后继续 对其中一个零件编辑、编辑后的零件变成4M、. I. k1 M- G( F5 G
如果这时候对装配体存盘、装配体文件的大小就是12M+4M......5 M; r. ?6 R& |0 ~

, ^9 n' ]% D& C  c0 ^" g+ o也就是凡是有变动的零件、变动后的文件大小 会在装配体每次存盘的时候全数 堆叠到 装配体的文件大小。
: M" o. S/ k, A+ E9 A就算这时候我把装配体里面的零件全部删除、再存盘、装配体的文件大小仍然是16M多......
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不知道大家的情况是否这样奇怪?还是我这文件系统出了问题??
发表于 2015-5-12 09:39:16 | 显示全部楼层 来自: 中国山东威海
solidworks本来就是占资源最严重的,catia就比他好多了
发表于 2015-5-12 14:59:06 | 显示全部楼层 来自: 中国江苏无锡
不好意思,没有碰到过你这样的经历,我30个零件装配体,装配体文件也就948K大小。
 楼主| 发表于 2015-5-12 16:21:18 | 显示全部楼层 来自: 美国
wcmjmw0 发表于 2015-5-12 09:39 static/image/common/back.gif) Z" b  d# Z$ w3 M4 B0 K
solidworks本来就是占资源最严重的,catia就比他好多了
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SW嘛...除了偶然发现一些莫名其妙的现象、总体还是设计得很【用户友好】的、左手几乎全程可以摸着下巴配合思考......这是很吸引我的。
 楼主| 发表于 2015-5-12 16:25:06 | 显示全部楼层 来自: 美国
fushuixiu 发表于 2015-5-12 14:59 static/image/common/back.gif7 t8 R& C+ ]  a0 ]) j& K/ f: Y
不好意思,没有碰到过你这样的经历,我30个零件装配体,装配体文件也就948K大小。
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OK、欢迎发表~~' ~% Q( g9 r" T* A1 L
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刚刚收到有个网友教 另存为 可以间接解决问题、装配体文件大小立刻变成合理水平。
 楼主| 发表于 2015-5-12 16:52:20 | 显示全部楼层 来自: 美国
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寂静天花板 发表于 2015-5-12 16:39 static/image/common/back.gif
2 B/ e* T# J) j. w& V) Z' e第一张图,看重量. V- S( l+ r; p( X
第二张图,看文件大小0 L! h/ U& r% D4 ]2 U0 v9 P  D' h# \0 J
纯粹的引用外部文件的装配体文件很小
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谢谢列举参考线索~~我发现了主因在于装配体文件大小会随着存盘次数不断堆叠膨胀、零件文件是外部或虚拟 都一样。
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 楼主| 发表于 2015-5-12 17:00:18 | 显示全部楼层 来自: 美国
阶段性的总结一下、希望对后来者有帮助:
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) F  f. _+ c8 {8 U/ o网友wumatao和wuzhijian分享的经验:另存一下,似乎会减小文件大小,不妨试试
0 b8 r; \2 L& s. g0 g. V) M2 |【我验证过、很有效、装配体文件大小可以从几百M变成1.9M】
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$ P0 Q3 y8 n8 H& }, t4 z另外、后来在网上看到一些遇到相同问题的讨论:
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————————tdx990 }2 ~6 N2 P7 A* b7 W
Hello All,
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I was asked to look into an issue with apart that an engineer designed. The saved part is
3 b2 X& M( j- ?# l% ]85megs! The part hasabout 100 features. One of my part with about the same number of ) f2 J+ R; M  u; g7 A9 q. B
features is less then10 megs. Both the engineer and Iare fairly new to SW so I couldn't
2 z" ]: }! }4 x, V2 x% Pfigure out what the problem was.All features weremade from simple extrusions, cuts,
3 A* l: h: _, I6 L+ q0 Qpatterns, chamfers, rounds. No complicated surfaces and not drafted yet. I did notice that
/ d' \  q: D1 D8 {: e" Va lot of the extrusion and cut features were created as thins.3 {6 M$ t+ M' a! L/ c5 I6 ]
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I would hate to have to recreate the part.
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Any help would be appreciated.
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Thank you,
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——————————Metoo8 P: m0 s, g# [: l5 @: g6 s6 s) ~
This is a problem in Solidworks; two people can design the same identical part and the two $ u+ p; k# X- Z
part file sizes can vary widely. If one made lots of changes; rebuilt his model numerous ! P( P; H  ]) Z; T% }& H7 I# ]
times withmoved features in the tree; added and removed constraints, modified scetches, 6 X" F6 z9 y' G
etc, etc..., that file will grow and grow and grow.
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, b/ ~! ]/ n! Q+ }& RHere's the question - do you really need the feature tree? If its a simple part, then its 10 -
% {) q# _" ^* p' S15 minutes to redo. If its a complex part, then the feature tree is worthless anyway; save it
. k  ]4 R: _: Qout as an iges or parasolid and bring it back in as dumb surface/solid. If you need to make
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mystical or magical about having a feature history with a part model.
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——————————tdx99
/ M6 Z' n* i# O, h6 o( rThanks for shedding some light on the problem. We had a design review and quite a few   u& v6 [' i8 c- N. n
changes were made. Now the file is over 140meg. It takes about a minute to save the darn
# D$ O+ i7 F4 s- ^. B6 Zpart now. Is there any way to purge.. or trim the fat off of this thing? It is getting to the # @2 P6 e8 ~. x% F5 g8 ]
point where it would be better to recreate the part.
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/ N1 A4 _( {# X2 y1 A& a——————————Meto
9 Y! ]- \$ D0 A# S& {. [5 D: Y0 xFirst; get rid of all the fluff; studio, lighting, background graphics; all the stuff that has + |6 F! w5 H" U+ d; T  r2 }6 r
nothing to do with the part design. Go to your file options, and check the graphics display 3 F( I" {$ y) c2 J% v# u
resolution to be sure it isn't unreasonably set high, as well as associated setting. When all ) X3 |' F7 |1 X$ a5 j. ~! b* x
else fails, remodel the part.
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I have noticed that similar files have exhibited a size reduction when opened and saved in
3 y1 r3 _2 f, o) N- Y5 knext higher version of Solidworks. This recently happened when the company I was 6 t1 {7 k2 q1 R0 R1 ^
contracting for moved from 2007 to 2008.A mold part I was working onsaved in 2008 at
+ [' `9 H5 f0 `about half the size as in 2007. That filealso had numerous changes to it, and I was about / a; L* J( R8 }3 b' A* S" ~0 m
to save it out as a parasolid and bring it back in as a dumb model to reduce the size of 0 O  F- W5 i% _* J  L2 Q( R5 [
assembly file before I noticed the part size dropped from about 100 meg to about 55 meg.6 E, X  W9 W6 E1 l* E$ C9 M

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, T  ]9 L# G8 w' JI don't recommend "saving out and bring it back in as dumb geometry." At that point 9 E6 G4 T( O$ G. |9 |/ w. e$ @! E
you've just spent a lot of time creating your masterpiece only to destroy thebeauty of the
8 R* \) w- I3 B: }7 aparametric software.
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If you can, do a File, Save As. This usually does the trick. I believe SW saves a lot of history
; u$ [5 s- N& f  J. u6 Q; sdata within each file. When you do a Save As, that history goes bye-bye and you start fresh.
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I had this same problem with a Solid Works Part a few months ago I tried the save as trick . E# e* W; g7 A, G
and it did not work I even sent it in to Support and they were not able to figure it out either. For the record I've never had this problem with a Pro-e part.- }* A, r+ b0 T6 a; |0 ~' W
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Yes, absolutely you need the feature tree.) A4 X9 c8 ~% e7 }% B/ ~

, q# p& F* U' `If its a complicated part, the feature tree is worthless if you don't know how to model a 8 l/ f1 v. E0 w' a0 ~
part properly. Seeting out a plan from the start to build your part, anticipating as best you
% {& ]; C. C* b" E+ {/ g1 ecan changes that may occur in the future and through past experience, a complicated part 2 }6 _( S0 D- f5 \* D! m0 C' i; H
can be adjusted from the very 1st feature very successfully. It very much comes down to   [0 p, j: }- t; c3 n/ O
the skill of the CAD user and this is one of the areas that makes the difference between 1 a3 u5 @" k8 t/ g, F6 T2 Z! P
someone who says they can use a 3D CAD package and someone who can actually use it.  l6 |! w% ?6 r, {" O. U9 U
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If the tree was useless, there would be no posts from users on this forum looking for
6 L# \4 k# g/ jworkarounds to the problem of saving to an earlier version of the software. Though as I'm
1 c6 o( [! I+ Z; z+ Y4 x5 Isure you will see if you look that there are many.+ \& e& r4 p8 J/ U- U
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发表于 2015-5-12 19:15:59 | 显示全部楼层 来自: 中国山东莱芜
原先碰到过一次,文件偏大,另存后零件减小,但再次打开后保存,文件又变大了。感觉另存作用不大。
 楼主| 发表于 2015-5-12 21:44:56 | 显示全部楼层 来自: 美国
luanguangtao 发表于 2015-5-12 19:15 static/image/common/back.gif
' f9 W1 B9 D% S* S原先碰到过一次,文件偏大,另存后零件减小,但再次打开后保存,文件又变大了。感觉另存作用不大。
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我目前的权宜办法 :每次存盘的时候 用 另存为  取代 保存、覆盖上一个 另存为......
发表于 2015-5-13 08:38:07 | 显示全部楼层 来自: 中国山东莱芜
]这方法,下次试一下。但还是希望sw能改进一下,除非也无能为力
发表于 2015-5-13 10:04:35 | 显示全部楼层 来自: 中国辽宁盘锦
Roystudio 发表于 2015-5-12 21:44 static/image/common/back.gif1 P0 Q  @: v& I. s+ A" M! J
我目前的权宜办法 :每次存盘的时候 用 另存为  取代 保存、覆盖上一个 另存为......
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你的这种说法,让我想到了top——down设计总装图容量大的原因,是因为里面保存了好多的逻辑关系在里边,而不是像分总设计的,大部分包含的是配合信息而已。+ {' M( v8 ~  }/ D
我今早也做了个小top-down,也发现了这个问题。
9 w  g" s2 _  h3 gtop-down,固然好,但建议还是局部用比较好
发表于 2015-5-13 13:24:38 | 显示全部楼层 来自: 中国湖北襄阳
阿帕奇 发表于 2015-5-13 10:04 static/image/common/back.gif
' f0 ?' l9 J1 d+ u, }你的这种说法,让我想到了top——down设计总装图容量大的原因,是因为里面保存了好多的逻辑关系在里边,而 ...
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阿大说到心窝里了!
2 \" S- e1 \. a9 T现在基本就是自下而上的装配,有问题,再修改零件
 楼主| 发表于 2015-5-13 19:41:11 | 显示全部楼层 来自: 中国广东广州
阿帕奇 发表于 2015-5-13 10:04 static/image/common/back.gif2 e2 C. q4 m, ]2 @! d5 }; Z; T
你的这种说法,让我想到了top——down设计总装图容量大的原因,是因为里面保存了好多的逻辑关系在里边,而 ...

  f, g) `& i. KOK、接受她的全部、因地制宜吧~~~
发表于 2015-5-13 19:55:42 | 显示全部楼层 来自: 中国山东莱芜
个人认为top-down用多实体会好一些,然后另存为装配体,这样文件可能会小一些
发表于 2015-5-13 20:09:48 | 显示全部楼层 来自: 中国陕西西安
top-down是有不少好处,但总装图容量太大了,机器配置不好的话直接动不了。
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