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[讨论] 为何装配体文件动不动就几百兆?存盘一次要十多秒呢?

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发表于 2015-5-9 19:26:56 | 显示全部楼层 |阅读模式 来自: 中国广东广州

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为何装配体文件动不动就几百兆?存盘一次要十多秒呢?
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2 t" m- J- A) X& y2 J2 ~装配体是基于SW原生开始做起的、全部零件都是内部虚拟形式、才十几个零件、就三四百兆了。) Y3 Z/ {% Y5 ~2 {8 Q
在零件层面编辑时、存盘都是快过眨眼的。但回到装配体层面、一按存盘就出现等待图标和硬盘狂响...: r! X1 b  U; O1 K
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请教下、这是什么问题?我有什么可以做?
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发表于 2015-5-9 20:24:18 | 显示全部楼层 来自: 中国北京
建议装配体零件全部放到外部去,否则一旦装配体损坏,你哭都没地方哭,我就碰到同事干这种事,打不开,那很多东西都要重新画过,你说这会使他的生活变得更加充实了吧!
 楼主| 发表于 2015-5-9 21:01:28 | 显示全部楼层 来自: 中国广东广州
fushuixiu 发表于 2015-5-9 20:24 static/image/common/back.gif
# K7 M/ ^4 \$ O/ d+ Y$ r' R建议装配体零件全部放到外部去,否则一旦装配体损坏,你哭都没地方哭,我就碰到同事干这种事,打不开,那很 ...

1 C; \/ b+ Q  V8 }1 B6 e* C多谢提醒、刚尝试了把装配体里面的全部零件都保存到外部、然后保存、
7 Z! ?: I- T- r6 ]5 N% B' u发现装配体仍然是几百兆的大、与之前不同的只是减去了每个零件几十K、???
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7 R* {. ~, R' h1 L1 k% a1 Y' Y也许我试试用一个新的装配体、把零件添加进去看看、稍后回头报告...' O9 w6 c$ }  m0 H5 r
 楼主| 发表于 2015-5-9 23:14:09 | 显示全部楼层 来自: 中国广东广州
fushuixiu 发表于 2015-5-9 20:24 static/image/common/back.gif' m" s1 R+ m4 X
建议装配体零件全部放到外部去,否则一旦装配体损坏,你哭都没地方哭,我就碰到同事干这种事,打不开,那很 ...
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尝试了用一个新的装配体、把零件添加进、保存、装配体文件只有几十K。1 U8 E$ _6 ]7 l4 l# Z/ t

) R$ }1 W" D& Z+ V2 ~8 V, I然后、设定了几个视图、加了几个配合后、装配体文件就马上变成十几兆了、再多做几步又是几十兆了......: t% j6 h# W/ @) r3 T, ]9 ~
是不是我的什么设定出了问题?
发表于 2015-5-9 23:39:14 | 显示全部楼层 来自: 中国广东肇庆
如果不泄密的话,楼主传一个上来让大伙看看眼界。
 楼主| 发表于 2015-5-10 00:35:35 | 显示全部楼层 来自: 中国广东广州
本帖最后由 Roystudio 于 2015-5-10 01:05 编辑
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keilei001 发表于 2015-5-9 23:39 static/image/common/back.gif. p+ n9 Z6 n$ A8 w& x' y/ N
如果不泄密的话,楼主传一个上来让大伙看看眼界。

* \! U9 ^. h% o啊...不要笑话我了......我也希望我能......只是我个人没权而已。
/ r+ B, z: ^6 {2 C) _* C/ Y我看到很多同学传了文件、有些前辈一看、马上解决了问题、确实看着文件好交流的。, |- N- [6 q# p9 D. f+ k7 f

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啊!顺道请教下、模型的尺码大小会不会影响SW的文件体积?(装配体全局就大约 长7米*宽3米*高1.8米)
发表于 2015-5-11 10:55:02 | 显示全部楼层 来自: 中国辽宁盘锦
Roystudio 发表于 2015-5-10 00:35 static/image/common/back.gif
( L0 m: ^9 q1 U# L0 i啊...不要笑话我了......我也希望我能......只是我个人没权而已。5 K/ P" B, A6 E9 Q7 R: E/ J6 k
我看到很多同学传了文件、有些前辈一看 ...
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一,可能是大9 S0 k" I# B# A4 t4 }
二,有好多的细节
 楼主| 发表于 2015-5-11 14:36:20 | 显示全部楼层 来自: 中国广东广州
阿帕奇 发表于 2015-5-11 10:55 static/image/common/back.gif
) l! N1 e. h3 ~9 _) V2 f一,可能是大7 m& A' J) A3 q
二,有好多的细节
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谢谢提供思考线索~~
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细节还没有太多、目前的设计进度只相当于总体的5%左右、装配体已经异常的几百M大、+ |3 Q  `( F  S  [/ u' i
以这个趋势、我顾虑往后可能很快就变成几个G、直到崩溃......汗啊......9 X, ?! Z8 q! ~- @" f4 ~

. S: O& M- O9 g7 ], j( j5 [虽然可以权宜、频繁切换、限制自己只在零件层面活动、但这样失去了很多top-down的便利...
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所以就上来提起讨论了。
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发表于 2015-5-11 15:57:48 | 显示全部楼层 来自: 中国辽宁盘锦
Roystudio 发表于 2015-5-11 14:36 static/image/common/back.gif
: {- h( g' p; b$ y+ X5 r  z* y谢谢提供思考线索~~, q$ ~7 z1 H. Z. k- g( c+ H- Y

0 ?" i4 x. |3 n4 Z; k细节还没有太多、目前的设计进度只相当于总体的5%左右、装配体已经异常的几百M大 ...
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这里的设置呢?
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 楼主| 发表于 2015-5-11 17:36:54 | 显示全部楼层 来自: 中国广东广州
阿帕奇 发表于 2015-5-11 15:57 static/image/common/back.gif- q. I2 V, p2 m, L# m  x
这里的设置呢?
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检查了、文档属性这里是软件默认的普通水平、没动过、第一栏比上图的允许误差更大:2.77483289mm
 楼主| 发表于 2015-5-12 01:06:58 | 显示全部楼层 来自: 中国广东广州
本帖最后由 Roystudio 于 2015-5-12 01:18 编辑
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阿帕奇 发表于 2015-5-11 15:57 static/image/common/back.gif
5 G3 C* |7 W( c- V, P这里的设置呢?
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另外、我发现了一些规律:' h# ?2 y& Y0 o' G
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假设新建了一个装配体、在里面画了3个零件、全部保存到外部、每个零件的文件大小是2M、
* O: u0 s, c8 Y, {$ S如果这时候对装配体存盘、装配体文件的大小就是6M多。* H+ d; G* m* a4 p1 A

3 q9 r5 @7 J0 \0 H之后继续做、只是简单地在每个零件里面做一些微不足道的编辑(例如只增加了含有一个点的草图)。6 g# O8 N6 j& Q1 f, O6 X
如果这时候对装配体存盘、装配体文件的大小就是6M多+2+2+2=12M多。
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# J( ~5 N* \. ~9 f5 {5 X之后继续 对其中一个零件编辑、编辑后的零件变成4M、
) W# q- v$ }; w/ C如果这时候对装配体存盘、装配体文件的大小就是12M+4M......& v6 M* W% e/ d

* r/ D4 G4 \: C6 I0 W2 C5 ]也就是凡是有变动的零件、变动后的文件大小 会在装配体每次存盘的时候全数 堆叠到 装配体的文件大小。4 z7 a% t! W2 ^6 \
就算这时候我把装配体里面的零件全部删除、再存盘、装配体的文件大小仍然是16M多......
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1 G1 n+ S* Z, y1 w; z6 r不知道大家的情况是否这样奇怪?还是我这文件系统出了问题??
发表于 2015-5-12 09:39:16 | 显示全部楼层 来自: 中国山东威海
solidworks本来就是占资源最严重的,catia就比他好多了
发表于 2015-5-12 14:59:06 | 显示全部楼层 来自: 中国江苏无锡
不好意思,没有碰到过你这样的经历,我30个零件装配体,装配体文件也就948K大小。
 楼主| 发表于 2015-5-12 16:21:18 | 显示全部楼层 来自: 美国
wcmjmw0 发表于 2015-5-12 09:39 static/image/common/back.gif- W( z' G# L! n! e, r3 V# \& J$ n
solidworks本来就是占资源最严重的,catia就比他好多了

. e+ y: q8 m9 l+ Y9 }- ySW嘛...除了偶然发现一些莫名其妙的现象、总体还是设计得很【用户友好】的、左手几乎全程可以摸着下巴配合思考......这是很吸引我的。
 楼主| 发表于 2015-5-12 16:25:06 | 显示全部楼层 来自: 美国
fushuixiu 发表于 2015-5-12 14:59 static/image/common/back.gif  D  l+ T5 }: k9 n$ d0 I$ a
不好意思,没有碰到过你这样的经历,我30个零件装配体,装配体文件也就948K大小。
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OK、欢迎发表~~
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刚刚收到有个网友教 另存为 可以间接解决问题、装配体文件大小立刻变成合理水平。
 楼主| 发表于 2015-5-12 16:52:20 | 显示全部楼层 来自: 美国
本帖最后由 Roystudio 于 2015-5-12 17:02 编辑 2 d" q; z' z7 H3 {5 y
寂静天花板 发表于 2015-5-12 16:39 static/image/common/back.gif  ^) ~( A0 H% Q' }
第一张图,看重量6 t4 d7 |: o( k  n) t/ l( X
第二张图,看文件大小2 Z) m( |1 d1 l5 M+ y3 U
纯粹的引用外部文件的装配体文件很小
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谢谢列举参考线索~~我发现了主因在于装配体文件大小会随着存盘次数不断堆叠膨胀、零件文件是外部或虚拟 都一样。* m' h6 X/ F+ n+ [" A6 a
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 楼主| 发表于 2015-5-12 17:00:18 | 显示全部楼层 来自: 美国
阶段性的总结一下、希望对后来者有帮助:" D% a7 z8 K- b- |% @

1 h; h. V/ G0 m% a( R( g网友wumatao和wuzhijian分享的经验:另存一下,似乎会减小文件大小,不妨试试( ~+ f+ ]' U. v
【我验证过、很有效、装配体文件大小可以从几百M变成1.9M】6 x' w2 O/ K; I7 P0 I; ~, E+ _
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另外、后来在网上看到一些遇到相同问题的讨论:! }/ W/ \+ N4 @7 W

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Hello All," {3 F+ {5 ]$ C7 ]! w

( }# \' \- R% j2 d4 T) y# N1 }# E+ ]6 nI was asked to look into an issue with apart that an engineer designed. The saved part is
: O  D2 ~! B4 S7 O9 \9 \- c$ d" V' |85megs! The part hasabout 100 features. One of my part with about the same number of
8 T- b4 f) t9 H5 h* mfeatures is less then10 megs. Both the engineer and Iare fairly new to SW so I couldn't 3 {' s3 {/ U5 r) n- a% H
figure out what the problem was.All features weremade from simple extrusions, cuts, & X  [' S, g: {: v4 r' m) M3 p
patterns, chamfers, rounds. No complicated surfaces and not drafted yet. I did notice that
( Z! q/ v" h! Z1 }a lot of the extrusion and cut features were created as thins.# E- B/ z8 }; M9 M

$ O9 M( [5 j6 WI would hate to have to recreate the part.
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+ L% B7 O  C: c' U( m5 F+ _Any help would be appreciated.
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Thank you,
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7 j( i1 K5 U. V# i——————————Metoo  x6 W- b: T7 n$ D1 R* S. T
This is a problem in Solidworks; two people can design the same identical part and the two 6 ~% P+ |3 w3 z0 d6 u; W
part file sizes can vary widely. If one made lots of changes; rebuilt his model numerous
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etc, etc..., that file will grow and grow and grow. 0 s1 h( o6 @/ u

1 \! G# z! y7 r' v2 YHere's the question - do you really need the feature tree? If its a simple part, then its 10 - - o0 o7 C3 \7 ]& O1 I
15 minutes to redo. If its a complex part, then the feature tree is worthless anyway; save it , H& c0 ?# x3 \2 n
out as an iges or parasolid and bring it back in as dumb surface/solid. If you need to make 7 H' l/ Z/ r" X- f7 J/ M8 S5 i
changes to it afterwards, then cut off what isn't needed and add what is. There's nothing
4 f. f* H& V& ^$ b( _9 tmystical or magical about having a feature history with a part model.4 J* L* C4 }4 n% X

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Thanks for shedding some light on the problem. We had a design review and quite a few
9 W& H8 j. J. \6 C5 ^changes were made. Now the file is over 140meg. It takes about a minute to save the darn + r+ u7 A; Q, Y0 g2 O6 k  M8 v
part now. Is there any way to purge.. or trim the fat off of this thing? It is getting to the 0 z' ]+ P9 R7 q) ~7 `
point where it would be better to recreate the part.
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9 x1 t7 R9 Z2 R——————————Meto
' u1 F" g7 j4 `5 OFirst; get rid of all the fluff; studio, lighting, background graphics; all the stuff that has & \( y+ q0 n4 ~" z, E
nothing to do with the part design. Go to your file options, and check the graphics display
5 R' q  G4 b' W  ^resolution to be sure it isn't unreasonably set high, as well as associated setting. When all
! l0 P  S3 u/ W% g& yelse fails, remodel the part.
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% t( z6 c' D& n2 }I have noticed that similar files have exhibited a size reduction when opened and saved in 7 H* ]$ g+ f1 k- x  z5 x
next higher version of Solidworks. This recently happened when the company I was
; F/ y  `$ T/ c7 @# T! T! _8 i, icontracting for moved from 2007 to 2008.A mold part I was working onsaved in 2008 at
* ~: d" s5 x! h- S, Tabout half the size as in 2007. That filealso had numerous changes to it, and I was about : M, D6 P! B2 M; b' ?$ q
to save it out as a parasolid and bring it back in as a dumb model to reduce the size of
; y! p5 j# T4 ]( o/ |$ g$ fassembly file before I noticed the part size dropped from about 100 meg to about 55 meg.
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% z$ F& k0 h8 j' B7 x  e' U+ r% OI don't recommend "saving out and bring it back in as dumb geometry." At that point , l$ H4 z/ d: ^2 l+ z
you've just spent a lot of time creating your masterpiece only to destroy thebeauty of the . L5 m4 q9 v: |/ D" x4 B4 q
parametric software.! u% X$ P; M, k3 r, B

* o9 T' }0 M$ T# @" {2 bIf you can, do a File, Save As. This usually does the trick. I believe SW saves a lot of history 6 A2 a6 }+ U' j( z' s$ _" |( d
data within each file. When you do a Save As, that history goes bye-bye and you start fresh.5 z0 N( F5 ~, ~9 ]* l+ ^" Y

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I had this same problem with a Solid Works Part a few months ago I tried the save as trick
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Yes, absolutely you need the feature tree.+ X* M9 \2 |) w
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If its a complicated part, the feature tree is worthless if you don't know how to model a
9 A3 V. Y8 o7 M3 P  spart properly. Seeting out a plan from the start to build your part, anticipating as best you 5 F  p. }' E  a' T
can changes that may occur in the future and through past experience, a complicated part & P& P0 _( U0 X, v
can be adjusted from the very 1st feature very successfully. It very much comes down to
: q' Z3 s  q! n: p! ]% `& Wthe skill of the CAD user and this is one of the areas that makes the difference between 9 h- j( p5 x0 f1 i2 l
someone who says they can use a 3D CAD package and someone who can actually use it.* `, _/ V4 R9 F( Z' i- J1 |& @" j5 E% i
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If the tree was useless, there would be no posts from users on this forum looking for
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sure you will see if you look that there are many.
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发表于 2015-5-12 19:15:59 | 显示全部楼层 来自: 中国山东莱芜
原先碰到过一次,文件偏大,另存后零件减小,但再次打开后保存,文件又变大了。感觉另存作用不大。
 楼主| 发表于 2015-5-12 21:44:56 | 显示全部楼层 来自: 美国
luanguangtao 发表于 2015-5-12 19:15 static/image/common/back.gif8 P* ?: d& o) e7 e
原先碰到过一次,文件偏大,另存后零件减小,但再次打开后保存,文件又变大了。感觉另存作用不大。
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我目前的权宜办法 :每次存盘的时候 用 另存为  取代 保存、覆盖上一个 另存为......
发表于 2015-5-13 08:38:07 | 显示全部楼层 来自: 中国山东莱芜
]这方法,下次试一下。但还是希望sw能改进一下,除非也无能为力
发表于 2015-5-13 10:04:35 | 显示全部楼层 来自: 中国辽宁盘锦
Roystudio 发表于 2015-5-12 21:44 static/image/common/back.gif0 Q- O2 ]5 u5 S2 N3 d) B0 B
我目前的权宜办法 :每次存盘的时候 用 另存为  取代 保存、覆盖上一个 另存为......

. c& @# T6 r+ k0 C, j你的这种说法,让我想到了top——down设计总装图容量大的原因,是因为里面保存了好多的逻辑关系在里边,而不是像分总设计的,大部分包含的是配合信息而已。
1 u/ L6 g( C( a# ^7 S- C我今早也做了个小top-down,也发现了这个问题。4 K4 Z8 A- k3 q5 b& B( B$ F- Q1 z
top-down,固然好,但建议还是局部用比较好
发表于 2015-5-13 13:24:38 | 显示全部楼层 来自: 中国湖北襄阳
阿帕奇 发表于 2015-5-13 10:04 static/image/common/back.gif
/ ~, |! o( T; z. @! q; x* L7 {你的这种说法,让我想到了top——down设计总装图容量大的原因,是因为里面保存了好多的逻辑关系在里边,而 ...
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现在基本就是自下而上的装配,有问题,再修改零件
 楼主| 发表于 2015-5-13 19:41:11 | 显示全部楼层 来自: 中国广东广州
阿帕奇 发表于 2015-5-13 10:04 static/image/common/back.gif: g5 M& x8 Q/ D$ ]& e
你的这种说法,让我想到了top——down设计总装图容量大的原因,是因为里面保存了好多的逻辑关系在里边,而 ...

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发表于 2015-5-13 19:55:42 | 显示全部楼层 来自: 中国山东莱芜
个人认为top-down用多实体会好一些,然后另存为装配体,这样文件可能会小一些
发表于 2015-5-13 20:09:48 | 显示全部楼层 来自: 中国陕西西安
top-down是有不少好处,但总装图容量太大了,机器配置不好的话直接动不了。
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